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Kas1m
06-02-09, 01:48 PM
Iqbal is the second best poet in urdu. First is Mirza Ghalib.
Iqbals era was from 1900 to 1950. Most of his work is like goes on top of your head. But I bought a big book explaining his work and poetry. Ill share one or two. And if you have some please share.

ImperfectBeauty
15-02-09, 07:42 PM
We have an awards ceremony every year in school and each year people win awards for exceling in certain subjects
This year a man was here doing a speech and he was a pakistani, he said an allama iqbal sher,



Khud ko kar itna buland ay bande ke khuda bi puche teri raza kya hai

I said that at the top of my head, i might have said it wrong but im sure it was like that

Nice inni

Kas1m
15-02-09, 07:46 PM
khud ko kar buland itna ke khuda bande se khus pooche bata teri raza kiya hai


actually i forgot the iqbal poetry book on my holiday..my initial plan was to add some poems from the book here

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 07:56 PM
Unfortunately, I don't understand Urdu or the Farsi he wrote in (I hope I haven't mixed the Farsi up with someone else...), but here is one of my favourite of the works of Iqbal that I have come across (I admit, this is little)...

"A heart which accepts clay as an associate
Begins to take pleasure in sleep without delay,
It wakes up whenever it creates the self,
But when the self becomes a slave to the body,
The heart dies."

If you need it explaining, I can do tha for you, as I've got the explanation to go with it.

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 07:58 PM
Um, what does "Allamah" mean? I've always wondered about the precise meaning... Does it mean respected?

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 08:04 PM
This is another old favourite quote:

But only a brief moment is granted to the brave one breath or two, whose wage is the long nights of the grave.

Kas1m
15-02-09, 08:15 PM
Um, what does "Allamah" mean? I've always wondered about the precise meaning... Does it mean respected?

Allama means a scholar..the word come from 'ilm'

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 08:23 PM
^ Ah, but don't many Shuyookh say he wasn't a scholar, but just a learned poet and philosopher?

Kas1m
15-02-09, 08:43 PM
^ Ah, but don't many Shuyookh say he wasn't a scholar, but just a learned poet and philosopher?

he was like all in one, people say..that kind of philosphy, he topped everything..i mean i tried to let alone read but understand some of his work but it just goes over my head...

Medievalist
15-02-09, 08:47 PM
Ki Muhammad :saw: se wafa tune, to hum tere hain,
Yeh Jahan cheez hai kya, Lawh o Qalam tere hain.

I think thats Allamah Iqbals.

Also:

Aaj woh Kashmeer hai mahkoom o majboor o faqeer,
Kal jissey Ahl e Nazar kehthey the Iran e Sagheer.

I think that's one aswell.

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 08:47 PM
^ Hmm, I see. I just asked because that's what I read; funnily, I was reading some extracts (extracts because I really should be reading some other books) from a book I have on him and his works, recently.

Soliloquy
15-02-09, 08:48 PM
Ki Muhammad :saw: se wafa tune, to hum tere hain,
Yeh Jahan cheez hai kya, Lawh o Qalam tere hain.

I think thats Allamah Iqbals.

Also:

Aaj woh Kashmeer hai mahkoom o majboor o faqeer,
Kal jissey Ahl e Nazar kehthey the Iran e Sagheer.

I think that's one aswell.

English too, please, :insha:. :)

ImperfectBeauty
15-02-09, 10:14 PM
khud ko kar buland itna ke khuda bande se khus pooche bata teri raza kiya hai


actually i forgot the iqbal poetry book on my holiday..my initial plan was to add some poems from the book here


Yee thats itt, i thought it didnt sound rightt lol
Thankz
:up:

ImperfectBeauty
15-02-09, 10:16 PM
Ki Muhammad :saw: se wafa tune, to hum tere hain,
Yeh Jahan cheez hai kya, Lawh o Qalam tere hain.

I think thats Allamah Iqbals.

Also:

Aaj woh Kashmeer hai mahkoom o majboor o faqeer,
Kal jissey Ahl e Nazar kehthey the Iran e Sagheer.

I think that's one aswell.


Wowww, they sound so good Mashallah

Ma mum loves Allama iqbal poetry, I read them out to her and she liked em
:p

KeeKee
15-02-09, 10:27 PM
never heard of mirza ghalib but i like allamah iqbals poetry. its really meaningful.

Kas1m
15-02-09, 10:36 PM
never heard of mirza ghalib but i like allamah iqbals poetry. its really meaningful.

Ghalib was like in 16 or 18th century. He was the king of urdu poetry and people say he was reborn in the shape of iqbal lol

Medievalist
15-02-09, 11:14 PM
difference is that mirza ghalib was only recognisde in a true sense after he kicked the bucket, allamah iqbal was famous even in their own lifetime.

Kas1m
17-02-09, 09:08 PM
khud ko kar buland itna ke khuda bande se khus pooche bata teri raza kiya hai


actually i forgot the iqbal poetry book on my holiday..my initial plan was to add some poems from the book here

Khud ko kar buland itna ke har taqdeer se pehle
khuda bande se khud pooche bata teri raza kiya hai

thats the right one lol we both were wrong

aboosait
23-02-09, 06:29 PM
When Greeks attacked Turkey in 1923 (at the behest of the British) Iqbal’s heart started crying. He knew that it was not just an attack on Turkey, but it was an attack on Islam itself. He tried to free the Muslim mind from the prevailing colonial mentality and from Muslims’ own narrow self-interests. He wrote the poem "Tolu-e-Islam" which later became one of his classic works. [Copies of this poem were sold and all proceeds were sent to Turkey.] He said:


"Hawas ne tukre tukre kar diya hay na’u insan ko
ukhuwwat ka bayan ho ja mohabbat ki zaban ho ja
ye Hindi, wo Khurasani, ye Afghani, wo Turani
tu ay sharmindayeh sahil uchhal kar bekaraan ho ja"


"Greed has torn apart humankind. You (Muslims), become role models of love and brotherhood. Get beyond the narrow boundaries of nationalities (like Indian, Khurasani, Afghani, and Turkish) and jump into the limitless ocean (of Islam)."

Kas1m
23-02-09, 06:33 PM
anybody got iqbals poem called 'tu rehnawarde shauq hai'?

aboosait
23-02-09, 06:33 PM
Muslims are divided at the root into Sunnis and Shias. Sunnis are further divided into Hanafi, Maliki, Shaafai, and Hanbali. Shias too are divided into Kesania, Zaidia, Imamia or Ithna ‘Ashari, Ismalia, etc. Sunnis are also divided into Ahle-hadith and Ahle-fiqha. In the Indian subcontinent (at least) Ahle-fiqha are further divided into Deobandis and Barelwis. Similar differences exist in other places as well. Are all these divisions and differences schools of thought as many Muslims claim? Whether or not we admit it, these differences and divisions do create physical, emotional, and psychological barriers amongst us. Iqbal says that these differences create prejudice in human beings:

"Shajar hay firqa arayee, ta’assub hay samar iska
ye wo phal hay jo jannat se nikalwata hay adam ko"

"These divisions are the branches of a tree; its fruit is prejudice. This is the fruit which gets Adam (man) expelled from Jannah (peaceful life)."

aboosait
23-02-09, 06:37 PM
With all these divisions and differences, can we progress in the world? Iqbal does not think so:
"Firqa bandi hay kaheen aur kaheen zatein hain
kya zamane mein panapne ki yahee batein hain"

"Somewhere are religious divisions and somewhere are differences based on caste. Is this the way to prosper in the world?"

He further says:
"Tum syed bhi ho Mirza bhi ho Afghan bhi ho
tum sabhi kuchh ho batao ki musalman bhi ho"

"You are Syed; you are Mirza; you are Afghan. You are everything. Tell me, are you Muslim too?"

Here Iqbal uses the word "Syed" to represent the caste system that has penetrated Muslims (especially in the Indian subcontinent because of Hindu influence). He uses the word "Mirza" to represent the ruling elite and the word "Afghan" to represent the differences in Muslims based on region, language, and race.

All these differences are anti-Qur’anic. When Iqbal poses the question, "Tell me, are you Muslim too?" he implies that those who feel proud and superior compared to other fellow Muslims because of these labels attached to their names (and not because of Taqwa), they are not entitled to be called true Muslims.

aboosait
23-02-09, 06:46 PM
anybody got iqbals poem called 'tu rehnawarde shauq hai'?

Tu Rehne Warde Shauk Hai By Nusrat Fateh Ali-1 kalame iqbal..by nusrat fateh ali saab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9znib0Km1Y

Kas1m
23-02-09, 06:48 PM
Tu Rehne Warde Shauk Hai By Nusrat Fateh Ali-1 kalame iqbal..by nusrat fateh ali saab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9znib0Km1Y

oh i know of that but i wanted a written one with translation...its too hard

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 06:52 PM
teray ishq ki intiha chahta hon
meri saadgi daikh kya chahta hon
sitam ho k ho wadae bay hijabi
koi baat sabr azma chahta hon
ye janat mubarak rahay zahido ko
k may aap ka samna chahta hon
zra sa to dil hon magar shokh itna
who ln tarani suna chahta hon
koi dm ka mehman hon a ahle mahfil
charaghe seher hon, bujha chahta hon
bhari bazam may raaz ki baat keh di
bara bay adab hon saza chahta hon

Kas1m
23-02-09, 06:54 PM
teray ishq ki intiha chahta hon
meri saadgi daikh kya chahta hon
sitam ho k ho wadae bay hijabi
koi baat sabr azma chahta hon
ye janat mubarak rahay zahido ko
k may aap ka samna chahta hon
zra sa to dil hon magar shokh itna
who ln tarani suna chahta hon
koi dm ka mehman hon a ahle mahfil
charaghe seher hon, bujha chahta hon
bhari bazam may raaz ki baat keh di
bara bay adab hon saza chahta hon

wah...but its hard to understand iqbal lol he was such a philospher

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 06:55 PM
when i was in 6th grade my father bought me a book about Iqbal's life it also had shikwa and jawabe shikwa. that was the first book ever gifted to me by sum1. but i have lost that book.
but after reading abt his life
i was realy impressed.
a real daee.

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 06:57 PM
wah...but its hard to understand iqbal lol he was such a philospher

read it again and again u will get the point

i like the first verse

teray ishq ki intiha chahta hon
meri saadgi daikh kya chahta hon

and the other one
ye janat mubarak rahay zahido ko
k may aap ka samna chahta hon

Kas1m
23-02-09, 06:57 PM
when i was in 6th grade my father bought me a book about Iqbal's life it also had shikwa and jawabe shikwa. that was the first book ever gifted to me by sum1. but i have lost that book.
but after reading abt his life
i was realy impressed.
a real daee.

yeah...one shair of his

Na tu zameen kay liye hai na aasmaa kay liye
Jahaa hay tere liye tu nahi jahaa kay liye

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 07:00 PM
http://www.parvez-video.com/poetry/jawabey_shikawa-02.gif

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:06 PM
Subhanallah!
tum mai hooron ka koi chahne wala hi nahi
jalwa e toor to majood hai musa hi nahi

loved this one.. only put iqbals poetry here please

truepath
23-02-09, 07:10 PM
read it again and again u will get the point

i like the first verse

teray ishq ki intiha chahta hon
meri saadgi daikh kya chahta hon

and the other one
ye janat mubarak rahay zahido ko
k may aap ka samna chahta hon

beautiful! loved these. but i read only these two from this thread so far :p

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 07:11 PM
Subhanallah!
tum mai hooron ka koi chahne wala hi nahi
jalwa e toor to majood hai musa hi nahi

loved this one.. only put iqbals poetry here please

but this is iqbal's poetry

truepath
23-02-09, 07:11 PM
Subhanallah!
tum mai hooron ka koi chahne wala hi nahi
jalwa e toor to majood hai musa hi nahi

loved this one.. only put iqbals poetry here please

who is it the writer is addressing to?

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:14 PM
who is it the writer is addressing to?

i think he is addressing to ummat e muslim...its very hard to get as i said..

i got another shair

tu rehnawarde shauq hai manzil na kar qabool
layla bhi ham nasheen ho to mehmil na kar qabool

quite like this shair but i dont know what reh nawarde shauq is?

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:15 PM
but this is iqbal's poetry

i know im just saying in general...

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:22 PM
One day Hazrat Iqbal was sitting in a lounge reading newspaper...he had a cigarette in his hand which was lit...downstairs some british men thought a plan to downshame iqbal so they sent a woman in the lounge upstairs where he was sitting..

the woman entered and stood but iqbal never raised his eyes..he just kept reading the newspaper...the woman tore her clothes by herself but still iqbal never looked up...then she started screaming...help help...those british men came upstairs and they all stared at iqbal wanting to know.

Hazrat Iqbal looked up and saw the woman and said 'i dont know what happened?'

the british men said 'you did this to her?'

Iqbal smiled and shook his head...the british men went to grab him but he said 'stop'

Iqbal put the newspaper to a said and showed them the cigeratte. the ash of the cigeratte was long so iqbal said ' it takes five minutes for this ash to build up and stay on the cigeratte while reading newspaper and smoking...so if i wouldve moved, this ash wouldve dropped'

lol the british men all calmed down embarrassed...ever since they never disturbed him again...

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:26 PM
http://www.haroof.com/poetry/images/allama_iqbal01.gif

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:40 PM
Shikwa and Jawab-e-Shikwa are the evergreen poems of Dr. Allama Muhammad Iqbal. Dr. Iqbal used wonderful Urdu vocabulary in this poem and highlighted achievements of Muslims.

In Shikwa, he played an oppressed and frustrated Muslim who is being complaining to Allah Almighty. In its second part, he assumed if Allmighty Lord Himself is addressing to this complaining Muslim and answering to his protest.


Below is the link to the famous 'shikwa' by Iqbal...

Shikwa (Complaint) (http://www.geocities.com/drmuhammadiqbal/88.htm)

And translation in English

Shikwa:

Why should I abet the loss, why forget the gain,
Why forfiet the future, bemoan the past in vain?

Hear the wail of nightingal, and remain unstirred,
Am I a flower insensate that will not say a word?

The power of speech emboldens me to speak out my heart,
I'll sure be damned, I know, if fault my God.

_____________________________________________


Hear, O Lord, from the faithful ones this sad lament,
From those used to hymn a praise, a word of discontent.

Enternally were you present, Lord, eternally omniscent,
The flower hung upon the tree, but without incense.

Be Thou fair, tell us true, O fountsinhead of grace,
How could the scent spread withoutthe breeze apace?

______________________________________________

The world presented a queer sight ere we took the stage,
Stones and plants in your stead were worshipped in that age.

Man, being inured to senses, couldn't accept a thing unseen,
How could a formless God impress his senses keen?

Tell me, Lord, if anyone ever invoked Thy name,
The strength of Muslim arm alone restored Thy fame.

__________________________________________________ _____


There was no dearth of peoples on this earth before,
Turkish tribes and Persian clans lived in days of yore;

The Greeks and the Chinese both bred and throve,
Christians as well as the Jews on this planet roved.

But who in Thy holy name raised his valiant sword,
Who set the things right, resolved the rigmarole?

__________________________________________________ _____


We were the warrior bands battling for Thy cause,
Now on land, now on water, we the crusades fought.

Now in Europe's synods did we loudly pray,
Now in African deserts made a bold foray.

Not for territorial greed did we wield the sword,
Not for pelf and power did we suffer the blows.

__________________________________________________ _____


Had we been temped by the greed of glittering gold,
Instead of breaking idols, would have idols sold.

We impressed on every heart the oneness of our mighty Lord,
Even under the threat of sword, bold and clever was our call.

Who conquered, tell us Thou, the fearful Khyber pass?
Who vanquished the Imperial Rome, who made it fall?

__________________________________________________ _____


Who broke the idols of the primitive folks?
Who fought the kafirs, massacred their hordes?

If the prayer time arrived right amid the war,
With their faces turned to Kaaba, knelt down the brave Hejaz.

Mahmud and Ayaz stood together in the same flank,
The ruler and the ruled forget the difference in their rank.

__________________________________________________ _____


The rich and poor, Lord and slave, all were levelled down,
All became brethern in love, with Thy grace crowned.

We roamed the world through, visited every place,
Did our rounds like the cup, serving sacred ale.

Forget about the forests, we spared not the seas,
Into the dark, unfathomed ocean, we pushed our steeds.

__________________________________________________ _____


We removed falsehood from the earth's face,
We broke the shackles of the human race.

We reclaimed your Kaaba with our kneeling brows,
We pressed the sacred Quran to our heart and soul.

Even then you grumble, we are false, untrue,
If you call us faithless, tell us what are you?

__________________________________________________ _____


You reserve your favours for men of other shades,
While you hurl your bolts on the Muslim race.

This is not our complaint that such alone are blesse,
Who do not know the etiquette, nor even can converse.

The tragedy is while kafirs are with houries actually blest,
On vague hopes of houries in heaven the Muslim race is made to rest!

__________________________________________________ _____


Poverty, taunts, ignominy stare us in the face,
Is humiliation the sole reward of our suffering race?

To perpetuate Thy name is our sole concern,
Deprived of the saqi's aid can the cup revolve and turn?

Gone is your assemblage, off your lovers have sailed,
The midnight sights are no more heard, nor the morning wails;

__________________________________________________ _____


They pledged their hearts to you, what is their return?
Hardly had they stepped inside, when they were externed.

Thy lovers came and went away, fed on hopes of future grace,
Search them now with the lamp of your glowing face.

Unassuaged is Laila's ache, unquenched is Qais's thirst,
In the wilderness of Nejd, the wild deer are still berserk.

__________________________________________________ _____


The same passion thrills the hearts, enchanting still is beauty's gaze,
You are the same as before, same too is the Prophet's race.

Why then this indifference, without a cause or fault?
Why with your threatening looks dost thou break our heart?

Accepted that the flame of love burneth low and dim,
We do not, as in your, dance attendance on your whims;

__________________________________________________ _____


But you too, pardon us, possess a coquettish heart,
Now on us, now on others, alight your amorous darts.

The spring has now taken leave, broken lies the lyre string,
The birds that chirped among the leaves have also taken wing;

A single nightingale is left singing on the tree,
A flood of song in her breast is longing for release.

__________________________________________________ _____


From atop the firs and pines the doves have flown away,
The floral petals lie scattered all along the way.

Desolate lie the garden paths, once dressed and neat,
Leafless hang the branches on the naked trees.

The nightingale is unconcerned with the season's range,
Would that someone in the grove appreciates her wail.

__________________________________________________ _____


May the nightingale's wail pierce the listeners' hearts,
May the clinking caravan awaken slumbering thoughts!

Let the hearts pledge anew their faith to you, O Lord,
Let's re-charge our cups from the taverns of the past.

Through I hold a Persian cup, the wine is pureHejaz,
Thought I sing an Indian song, the tune is of the Arabian cast.

Kas1m
23-02-09, 07:42 PM
Second part of the poem "Shikwa". Here, Dr. Iqbal is assuming that Allmighty Allah addresses Muslims and show them the mirror. Wonderful poem with outstanding use of Urdu literature. Bottom line of the logically written thought provoking poem is:

'ki Muhammad (PBUH) say wafa tu nay, tou HUM terey hain
yeh jahan cheez hai kya, loh-o-qalam terey hain' ......

Jawab e Shikwa (http://www.geocities.com/drmuhammadiqbal/102.htm)

Translation in English

Jawab-e-Shikwa:

The word springing from the heart surely carries weight,
Though notendowed with wings, it yet can fly in space.

Pureand spiritual in its essence, it pegs its gaze on high,
Rising from the lowly dust, grazes past the skies.

Keen, defiant, and querulous was my passion crazed,
It pierced through the skies, my audacious wail.
__________________________________________________ _____



"Someone is there," thus spoke the heaven's warder old,
the planets said, "From above proceeds this voice so bold."

"No, no," the moon said," "tis someone on the earth below,"
Butted in the milky way: "The voice is hereabouts, I trow."

Ruzwan alone, if at all, understood aright,
He knew it was the man, from heaven once exiled. __________________________________________________ _____



Even the angles wondered who raised this cry,
All the celestial denizens looked about surprised.

Does man possess the might to scale empyreal heights?
Has this mere pinch of dust learnt the knack to fly?

What are these earthly folks? Careless of all respect,
How bold and impudent, the lowly dwellers of the earth! __________________________________________________ _____



Extremely rude and insolent, cross even with God,
Is it the same Adam whom angels once did laud?

Steeped in bliss, man is of wisdom's lore possessed,
Nonetheless, he's alien to humility's sterling worth.

Man feels proud of the power of his speech,
But the fool doesn'tknow how and what to speak. __________________________________________________ _____



You narrate a woeful tale, thus the voice arose,
Your heart is boiling overwith tears uncontrolled.

You have delivered your plaint with perfect skill and art,
You have brought the humans in contact with God.

We are inclined to grant, but none deserves our grace,
None treads the righteous path, whom to show the way? __________________________________________________ _____



Our school is open to all, but talent there is none,
Where is that soil fertile to breed the human gems?

We reward the deserving folks with splendid meed,
We grant newer worlds to those who strive and seek.

Arms have been drained of strength, hearts have gone astray,
The Muslim race is a blot on the Prophet's face.

__________________________________________________ _____



Idol-breakers have left the scene, idol-makers remain,
Aazar has inheritedAbraham's glorious name.

Wine, flask,and drinkers-all arenew and changed,
A differentKaaba, different idols now your worship claim.

Therewas a time when you were respected far and wide,
Once this desert bloom was the season's wealth and pride. __________________________________________________ _____



Every Muslim then was a lover profound of God,
Your sole beloved once was the all-embracing Lord.

Who removed falsehood from the earth's face?
Who broke the shackles of the human race?

Who reclaimed our Kaaba with their kneeling brows?
Who presses the sacred Quran to their heart and soul? __________________________________________________ _____



True, they were your forbears, but what are you, I say?
Idle sitting, statue-like you dream away your days.

What did you say? Muslims are with hopes of houries consoled,
Even if your plaint is false, your words should be controlled.

Justice is the law supreme, operative on this globe,
Muslims can't expect the houries, if they follow the kafir's code. __________________________________________________ _____



None of you is,infact,deservingof the"hoor",
A Moses is but hard to fin,burneth still the Tur.

Common to the race entire is their gain or loss,
Common is their faith and creed, common too the Rasul of God;

One Kaaba, one Allah, and one Quran inspire their heart,
Why can't the Muslims then behave like a single lot? __________________________________________________ _____



Cast, creed and factions have disjointed this race,
Is this way to forge ahead, to flourish in the present age?

It's the poor who visit the mosque, join the kneeling rows,
The poor alone observe the fasts, practise self-control.

If someone repeats our name, it's the poor again,
The devout poor hide your sins, preserve your vaunted name. __________________________________________________ _____



Drunk with the wine of wealth, the rich are unconcerned with God,
The Muslim race owes its life to the poor, indigent lot.

"Muslims have vanished from earth," this is what we hear,
but we ask, " Were the Muslims ever the Jewish sects.

You are Nisars by your looks, but Hindus by conduct,
Your culture puts to shame even the Jewish sects. __________________________________________________ _____



If the son is alien to his learned father's traits,
How can he then claim his father's heritage?

All of you love to lead a soft, luxurious life,
Are you a Muslim indeed? Is this the Muslim style?

All of you desire to be invested with the crown,
You should first produce a heart worthy of renown. __________________________________________________ _____





The new age is the lighting blast, it will set your barns on fire,
It can't produce in groves or deserts the Old Sinai's burning spire.

The new fire consumes for fuel the blood of nations old,
The clothes of the Prophet's race are incinerated in its folds.

Don't be depressed, gardener, by the present scene,
The starry buds are about to burst with a brilliant sheen. __________________________________________________ _____



The garden will soon be rid of its thorns and weeds,
The martyr's blood will bring to bloom all the dormant seeds.

Mark how the sky reflects its orange purple hues,
The rising sun will flush the sky with its rays anew.

Islamic tree exemplifies cultivation long and hard,
A fruit of arduous gardening over centuries past.

__________________________________________________ _____



Your caraven needn't fear the perils of the path,
But for the call ofbells you own no wealth at all.

You are the plant of light, the burning wick that never fails,
With the power of your thought you can incinerate the veil.

We'll love you as our own, if you follow the Prophet's ways,
The world is but a paltry thing, you'll command the pen and page. __________________________________________________ _____

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 07:48 PM
mullahs contridict him alot for shikwa
so in response he wrote jawab e shikwa

kya aap ko on ka sher yaad hay mujhay to bhoola hoa hay

kuch estarha ka hay k

tuintizar na kar inqilab ka agar hosakay to abhi say inqilab paida kr

Hamza Momand
23-02-09, 07:53 PM
in iqbal poetry u will find
shaheen
inqilab (revolution)
muslim youth

he explained quran in his poetry

parindo ki dunya ka darwesh hon may
k shaheen banata nhi ashyana

another one

nhi tera nasheman qasray sultani ki gumbat pr
tu shaheen hay basera kr paharo ki chatano pr

and
tu shaheen hay parwaz hay kaam tera
teray samnay aasman or b hain

onho nay en ashaar may muslim youth ko shaheen keh kr mukhatib kia hay.

Kas1m
23-02-09, 08:07 PM
mullahs contridict him alot for shikwa
so in response he wrote jawab e shikwa

kya aap ko on ka sher yaad hay mujhay to bhoola hoa hay

kuch estarha ka hay k

tuintizar na kar inqilab ka agar hosakay to abhi say inqilab paida kr

I think i forgot that one but i have heard it long time ago

Medievalist
23-02-09, 10:21 PM
Ya Rabb dil e Muslim ko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhIxGLDNWPc)

aboosait
24-02-09, 02:07 AM
Iqbal is the second best poet in urdu. First is Mirza Ghalib.........

Who gave this ranking and on what basis?

Kas1m
24-02-09, 06:46 AM
Who gave this ranking and on what basis?

It is the way people said in books and all that.

aboosait
24-02-09, 10:59 AM
It is the way people said in books and all that.

And what is your view? Blind following jo kutch kitaabon me likkhaa hae?

Kas1m
24-02-09, 11:00 AM
And what is your view? Blind following jo kutch kitaabon me likkhaa hae?

lol no but who is the number 1 poet in your opionion?

truepath
24-02-09, 03:47 PM
http://www.haroof.com/poetry/images/allama_iqbal01.gif

man! this stuff is tooooo deep!

aboosait
25-02-09, 05:55 PM
lol no but who is the number 1 poet in your opionion?

Never compared them. Each one has his own merits....after all they also humans.

Hamza Momand
25-02-09, 06:58 PM
qom kya cheez hay qomo ki imamat kya hay
es ko kya samjhay ye bay charay do rakat k imam

aaj kal on chnd special molvi jo muslims ki imamat krnay niklay hain k leye zabardast sher.

Hamza Momand
25-02-09, 07:01 PM
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4224/farmanekhudaiz3.jpg

Kas1m
14-03-09, 07:15 PM
http://docthumb0.esnips.com/imageable/medium/7c4c23cf-c7c3-43e7-813e-19c18c9e3b3d/?du=1e79e7ec-52bb-102b-9748-0015173e3082&uu=6af9ce89-5c09-423c-9476-c97e4eae35a8&dt=1212791641000&fu=345f10be-d11f-4871-8f31-0fa223a87714

this is a nice shair

Hamza Momand
15-03-09, 08:43 AM
its a wonderful poem
zabardast

may nay jo matlab akhaz kia wo yeh hay k
wo insan ko batani koshish kr rha hay k tumhara maqam kia hay

kabhi kabhi kuch cheezon ko samjh layta hon magar bayan nhi kr pata.

aap kuch explain krain

Kas1m
16-03-09, 08:41 AM
Actually this is a hard shair.
I cant even english translate lol but its good to read though

aboosait
16-03-09, 08:52 AM
qom kya cheez hay qomo ki imamat kya hay
es ko kya samjhay ye bay charay do rakat k imam.........

I think it refers to the mulla who leads the prayers in mosques. Who appoints them? are the mutawalllis qualified to choose an imaam. If he recites the Quran melodiously he is selected as an imam. He has spent a major part ofhis life within the four walls of a madrass whee he was brainwashed into believing what his teachers want him to believe. He has no knowledge of the world and its administration. What would be our fate if such mullas are placed as heads of governments?

Kas1m
16-03-09, 09:03 AM
I think it refers to the mulla who leads the prayers in mosques. Who appoints them? are the mutawalllis qualified to choose an imaam. If he recites the Quran melodiously he is selected as an imam. He has spent a major part ofhis life within the four walls of a madrass whee he was brainwashed into believing what his teachers want him to believe. He has no knowledge of the world and its administration. What would be our fate if such mullas are placed as heads of governments?

:up: well done

Hamza Momand
16-03-09, 09:36 AM
thats the perfect explanation

brother kasim
do u have the poem by Iqbal about masjid qurtuba.

and brother aboosit
india may iqbal ka kya maqam hay
hindu kya sochtay hain

Kas1m
16-03-09, 09:40 AM
thats the perfect explanation

brother kasim
do u have the poem by Iqbal about masjid qurtuba.

No. Unfortunately i left the book of his poetry in pakistan.
I had a choice of two. Either bring faiz ahmed faiz s book or iqbals book. I chose faiz which i regret now.

Kas1m
16-03-09, 09:59 AM
Anyway todays shair is,

http://docthumb0.esnips.com/imageable/medium/50c537d2-e7b0-44cb-b239-2b84dc9b9f66/?du=1e79e7ec-52bb-102b-9748-0015173e3082&uu=6af9ce89-5c09-423c-9476-c97e4eae35a8&dt=1212791648000&fu=345f10be-d11f-4871-8f31-0fa223a87714

in english translation:

How can the water and flowers be in control?
how can the hearts be alive in the chests?

Hamza Momand
16-03-09, 10:18 AM
pehla misra samjh nhi pa rha hon

Kas1m
16-03-09, 10:24 AM
pehla misra samjh nhi pa rha hon

mere khiyal mai is ka matlab hai ke agar seenay mai dil bedaar ho jaye to banda aab o gul yani har shay ko wo paa leta hai Allah ki rehmat se

imported_MMS
26-03-09, 12:51 PM
this is pretty rare
a video of shaykh Abul Hasan ali nadwi RH reading verses of kalam-e-iqbal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdWEFiUBvY

Subtle Silence
03-03-10, 04:19 AM
Jawab-e-Sikwa (/w subs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5zOjxbKWM

-Makes you wanna cry, its that deep and beautiful.

aboosait
03-03-10, 12:27 PM
Jawab-e-Sikwa (/w subs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5zOjxbKWM

-Makes you wanna cry, its that deep and beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5zOjxbKWM

That was only 1 part. The second and third parts are here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7WXREb6u8Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8SLE65uvxU&feature=related

ahaneefah
03-03-10, 01:02 PM
یا رب دل مسلم کو وہ زندہ تمنا دے
جو قلب کو گرما دے جو روح کو تڑپا دے
پھر وادی فاران کے ہر ذرہ کو چمکا دے
پھر شوق تماشا دے پھر ذوق تقاضا دے
محروم تماشا کو پھر دیداہ بےنا ہے
دیکھا ہے جو کچھ میں نے اوروں کو بھی دکھلا دے
بھٹکے ہوئے آہو کو پھر سوئے حرم لے چل
اس شہر کے خوگر کو وسعت صحرا دے
پیدا دل ویران میں پھر شورش محشر کر
اس محمل خالی کو پھر شاہد لےلا دے
اس دور کی ظلمت میں ہر قلب پریشان کو
وہ داغ محبت دے جو چاند کو شرما دے
رفعت میں مقاصد کو ہم دوش ثریا کر
خودداری ساحل دے آزادی دریا دے
بے لوث محبت ہو بے باک صداقت ہو
سینے میں اُجالا کر دل صورت مےنا دے
احساس عنایت کر آثار مصیبت کا
امروز کی شورش میں اندیشہ فردا دے
میں بلبل نالاں ہوں اک اُجڑے گلستان کا
تاثیر کا سائل ہوں محتاج کو داتا دے

Translation

O Lord! To the Muslims heart grant that lively longing
Which may warm the heart, which may, restlessness to the soul, grant

Again brighten up every speck of dust of the Valley of Faran
Again Longing for the Spectacle, taste for the asking, grant

Again to the one deprived of the Spectacle, the discerning eye, grant
Whatever I have seen, to others also its sight, grant

Again guide, the strayed away deer away from Haram
To the one addicted to city, vastness of wilderness, grant

Again in the forlorn heart, create the Last Days tumult
Again to this empty camel-litter, the lover of Lailah, grant

In the darkness of this age to every perturbed heart
That mark of Love, which may embarrass the moon, grant

In elegance raise the Muslims goals to the level of Thurayyah
Self-respect of the ocean, freedom of the sea shore, grant

Love should be pure, candor fearless should be
Grant Light to hearts, hearts like crystal, grant

Grant the feeling for signs of The Calamity
In todays tumult, concern for tomorrow, grant

I am the wailing nightingale of a ruined rose garden
I am the supplicant for acceptance, O Benevolent one

Kas1m
26-03-10, 01:05 AM
Jazakallah for the contribution.

sferoz
29-03-10, 06:07 AM
Yee thats itt, i thought it didnt sound rightt lol
Thankz
:up:

KHUDI KO KAR BULAND ITNA KI HAR TAQDEEER SAY PEHLAY
KHUDA BNDAY SAY KHUD POOCHAY BATA TARE RAZA KYA HAIN



Zahid nigah-e-kam se kisi rind ko na dekh
Na jane us karim ko tu hai ya woh pasand

sferoz
01-04-10, 12:04 PM
lab pe aatii hai duaa banake tamannaa merii
zindagii shammaa kii surat ho Khudaayaa merii

duur duniyaa kaa mere dam aNdheraa no jaaye
har jagah mere chamakane se ujaalaa ho jaaye

ho mere dam se yunhii mere watan kii ziinat
jis tarah phuul se hotii hai chaman kii ziinat

zindagii ho merii parawaane kii surat yaa rab
ilm kii shammaa se ho mujhako mohabbat yaa rab

ho meraa kaam Gariibon kii himaayat karanaa
dard-mandoon se zaiifon se mohabbat karanaa

mere allaah buraaii se bachaanaa mujhako
nek jo raah ho us raah pe chalaanaa mujhako

sferoz
02-04-10, 06:57 AM
mohabbat ka junuu.N baaqii nahin hai
musalamaanon maun Khuun baaqii nahin hai


safain kaj, dil pareshan, sajdaa bezuuk
ke jazabaa-e-andruun baaqii nahin hai


ragoon main lahuu baaqii nahin hai
wo dil, wo aawaaz baaqii nahin hai


namaaz-o-rozaa-o-qurbaanii-o-haj
ye sab baaqii hai tuu baaqii nahin hai

sferoz
12-04-10, 07:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWTlR_91UaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xs0jr6hKJE

.Abu.Rambo.
13-04-10, 03:48 PM
C h i l d's P r a y e r


My hopes and wishes come upon
My lips from inside my heart.
Oh Allah! My life should be
Like a lamp, never to go dark.

Let the darkness of the world
Disappear from my presence.
Let every place become bright
From my shining existence.

Just as the flower stands with others,
Improving the garden's beauty,
Let my life stand with knowledge
And dignify my community.

My life should be built around
Those who seek the light,
Just as the moth loves the glowing lamp
In the darkness of the night.

Oh Allah! Make me strive
Constantly to educate my mind,
With the light of knowledge
That you gave me the power to find.

I want to dedicate my life to those
Who are in need of special care.
The old, the young, the ill, the hungry,
I want to be fair.

Oh Allah! You gave us choices!
Protect us from sins,
Lead us to the path of righteousness,
Help us to do good things.

ImperfectBeauty
13-04-10, 04:00 PM
Ki Muhammad (SAW) se tu ne wafaa to hum tere hain
Ye Jahan cheez hee kya lauh o Qalam tere hain

:love:

Kas1m
14-07-10, 03:46 PM
http://docthumb0.esnips.com/imageable/medium/74e68cad-c68b-4dd4-b102-aac662f45ce0/?du=1e79e7ec-52bb-102b-9748-0015173e3082&uu=6af9ce89-5c09-423c-9476-c97e4eae35a8&dt=1212797972000&fu=b4295ff8-e3fd-4362-a3f6-cb0d27af5ca2

Nice one aswell. I love his poetry

ahmed_abdullah
14-07-10, 04:01 PM
Does anybody know the parsi poetry of Mirza ghalib (r) or Alama iqbal (R), i don't even remember ?

Like it has a line sufinashudi jalwae chasheynasi ?

I just want the poem of it , usually called as parsi poetry.

Uthman Ibn Afan
14-07-10, 04:24 PM
Cheen-o-Arab hamara, Hindustan hamara
Muslim main hum, watan hai sara jahan hamara
Tauheed ki amanat senon main hai hamarey
Asan nahin mitana naam-o-nishaan hamara
Duniya kay bu't kadon main, wo pehla ghar Khuda ka
Hum uss kay pasban hain, wo pasban hamara
Baatil say dabney waley, aey Asman! nahin hum
Sou baar ker chuka hai Tu imtihan hamara
Salar-e-Karwan hai Meer-e-Hijaaz (PBUH) apna
Iss naam say hai baaqi, aaram-e-jahan hamara
Iqbal ka tarana baang-e-dara hai goya
Hota hai jada paima, phir karwan hamara


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lJ7DNv7mdg

KeeKee
14-07-10, 04:35 PM
nice thread mashaAllah. allamah iqbal's poetry is quite deep, i like it.

ahmed_abdullah
14-07-10, 04:35 PM
That was really beautiful uthman ibn afan



Does anybody know the parsi poetry of Mirza ghalib (r) or Alama iqbal (R), i don't even remember ?

Like it has a line sufinashudi jalwae chasheynasi ?

I just want the poem of it , usually called as parsi poetry.

Anybody?

I think it is like ashiqnashudi sufinashud ... ??? Anyone???

aboosait
15-07-10, 04:51 AM
I think it is like ashiqnashudi sufinashud ... ??? Anyone???Sufi? No thread seems to go without Sufi-Salafi debate?

ahmed_abdullah
15-07-10, 08:03 AM
Sufi? No thread seems to go without Sufi-Salafi debate?

It defines everything mate not just sufi :D

I'll try to find the poem.It is about qayamah actually.

aboosait
16-07-10, 01:45 AM
It defines everything mate not just sufi ..........

Goes without saying - the word Sufi is always accompanied by words such as ishq, husn, dil, jigar, sharaab, nasha, khumaar, garaybaan, junoon, bikhri zulfayn, nazaakat, lachak, matak, ruqs, gulabi hoant, gore gaal, patli kamar, khwabonki duniya and what not.

aboosait
16-07-10, 01:47 AM
It defines everything mate not just sufi ..........

Goes without saying - the word Sufi is always accompanied by words such as ishq, husn, dil, jigar, sharaab, nasha, khumaar, garaybaan, junoon, bikhri zulfayn, nazaakat, lachak, matak, ruqs, gulabi hoant, gore gaal, patli kamar, khwabonki duniya and what not.

ahmed_abdullah
16-07-10, 06:28 AM
Goes without saying - the word Sufi is always accompanied by words such as ishq, husn, dil, jigar, sharaab, nasha, khumaar, garaybaan, junoon, bikhri zulfayn, nazaakat, lachak, matak, ruqs, gulabi hoant, gore gaal, patli kamar, khwabonki duniya and what not.

unnchhaa ye Ishq hai ye
bulhawas paaoon na rakiyoo kabhi israah key biich
uchayaaan ishq hai reheguzar aaam nahi
Unchaa ya ishq ka dastuur nirraala dekha
Usko chotti na mili jisko sabaq yaad huwa

:D

ahmed_abdullah
16-07-10, 07:20 AM
^^ As far as i remember , the above poem is written by allama iqbal .

Kas1m
16-07-10, 10:36 AM
Goes without saying - the word Sufi is always accompanied by words such as ishq, husn, dil, jigar, sharaab, nasha, khumaar, garaybaan, junoon, bikhri zulfayn, nazaakat, lachak, matak, ruqs, gulabi hoant, gore gaal, patli kamar, khwabonki duniya and what not.

As far as i remember I dont think Allama Iqbal has written anything about them..maybe one or two but not all
Brother Ahmed, I didnt quite get that poem...one or two words were misplaced but Ive never heard of that poem before.

ahmed_abdullah
16-07-10, 02:17 PM
As far as i remember I dont think Allama Iqbal has written anything about them..maybe one or two but not all
Brother Ahmed, I didnt quite get that poem...one or two words were misplaced but Ive never heard of that poem before.

It is very simple

unnchhaa ye Ishq hai ye
bal hawas paaoon na rakiyoo kabhi israah key biich

ucha ye ishq hai reheguzar aaam nahi
Unchaa ya ishq, ka dastuur nirraala dekha

Usko chotti na mili jisko sabaq yaad huwa

Yes i've heard this poem was written by allamah iqbal which is why i thought maybe someone will clarify.

That person aboosai will speak anything, he and his own mind.

Kas1m
16-07-10, 02:26 PM
unnchhaa ye Ishq hai ye
bal hawas paaoon na rakiyoo kabhi israah key biich

ucha ye ishq hai reheguzar aaam nahi
Unchaa ya ishq, ka dastuur nirraala dekha

Usko chotti na mili jisko sabaq yaad huwa



Do you mind doing a translation of this?

ahmed_abdullah
16-07-10, 02:36 PM
Do you mind doing a translation of this?

Sure.


uuncha ye ishq hai ye.

This love is of a very high height

Bal hawaas paoon na rakiyoo kabhi israah key biich

Never step on this path by your greedy desires(if hawas is correctly translated by me)

uncha ye ishq hai reheguzar aam nahi

This love is of very high height but not anyother common path

Uncha ya ishq , ka dastuur niraala dekha

This love is of very high height very rare was the gratuity which was seen

Usko chotti na mili jisko sabaq yaad huwa

He never had any holiday who once had his lesson learnt.

Kas1m
16-07-10, 03:01 PM
I just remembered the last shair is actually a famous one and it goes like this

Maktab e Ishq ka dastoor niraala dekha
Usko chutti na mili jisko sabaq yaad hua

and its from Mirza Ghalib.

ahmed_abdullah
16-07-10, 03:55 PM
I just remembered the last shair is actually a famous one and it goes like this

Maktab e Ishq ka dastoor niraala dekha
Usko chutti na mili jisko sabaq yaad hua

and its from Mirza Ghalib.

There, i knew i am being mistaken here.:)

then ashiq na shudi is also from mirza ghalib ?

Kas1m
16-07-10, 04:01 PM
There, i knew i am being mistaken here.:)

then ashiq na shudi is also from mirza ghalib ?

Not sure about that. I haven't explored Ghalibs work yet. Its too hard to understand.

Uthman Ibn Afan
16-07-10, 04:07 PM
anyone have the poem about how slavery to other nations destroys peoples thinking/intellect

aboosait
16-07-10, 04:27 PM
anyone have the poem about how slavery to other nations destroys peoples thinking/intellect

You mean Iqbal's Baange Daraa.

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/bang/translation/part07/70.htm

imran1976
16-07-10, 04:55 PM
have you ppl read Iqbal's "Iblees ki majlis'e Shura?

Kas1m
16-07-10, 04:56 PM
have you ppl read Iqbal's "Iblees ki majlis'e Shura?

Yes I was briefly reading that..Its good

tayyiboon
17-07-10, 07:59 AM
Iqbal is the second best poet in urdu. First is Mirza Ghalib.
Iqbals era was from 1900 to 1950. Most of his work is like goes on top of your head. But I bought a big book explaining his work and poetry. Ill share one or two. And if you have some please share.

LOL......

ghalib was ok at best, no way he even comes close to Iqbal

Kas1m
17-07-10, 10:06 AM
LOL......

ghalib was ok at best, no way he even comes close to Iqbal

I thought its the same everyone thinks that Ghalib first then Iqbal lol i didnt know

ahmed_abdullah
17-07-10, 06:11 PM
I thought its the same everyone thinks that Ghalib first then Iqbal lol i didnt know

Brother i am looking for a poem where Allama iqbal rahimullah alai speaks about a young man who was married for three months, have you read it??

Kas1m
17-07-10, 07:15 PM
No idea..If you can tell me the title, I'll look up in my book

ahmed_abdullah
17-07-10, 07:24 PM
No idea..If you can tell me the title, I'll look up in my book

No i don't remember but i remember the story, like the young man is about to be hanged.Allamah iqbal says that tell me that you are falsely accused ill pull you down but the young man says you don't know what i see but if you have seen it then you would have been in my position as well.So he was put to death after being married for only 3 months.

It is really beautiful, thought if you knew about it.

Kas1m
17-07-10, 07:33 PM
No i don't remember but i remember the story, like the young man is about to be hanged.Allamah iqbal says that tell me that you are falsely accused ill pull you down but the young man says you don't know what i see but if you have seen it then you would have been in my position as well.So he was put to death after being married for only 3 months.

It is really beautiful, thought if you knew about it.

Nope. I'm sorry but I'll have a look through the book

Kas1m
13-11-10, 04:13 PM
this is pretty rare
a video of shaykh Abul Hasan ali nadwi RH reading verses of kalam-e-iqbal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdWEFiUBvY

Nahi wajood hadood o sughoor se us ka
Muhammed e Arabi :saw: se hai Aalam e Arabi.

aboosait
14-11-10, 09:48 AM
............. usually called as parsi poetry.

Must be Faarsi and Faarsi means Persian.

Many Faarsi (Persian language) words are used in Urdu Poetry.

Kas1m
14-11-10, 10:08 AM
Tu ne poochi hai imamat ki haqeeqat
Haq tujhe meri tarah saahib e israar kare

Hai wohi tere zamane ka imam e barhaq
Jo tujhe haazir o maujood se baizaar kare

aboosait
14-11-10, 10:28 AM
Tu ne poochi hai imamat ki haqeeqat
Haq tujhe meri tarah saahib e israar kare

Hai wohi tere zamane ka imam e barhaq
Jo tujhe haazir o maujood se baizaar kare

Could you explain that in English?

Kas1m
14-11-10, 12:50 PM
Could you explain that in English?

Yes indeed. I will explain but not translate.

Tu ne poochi hai imamat ki haqeeqat
Haq tujhe meri tarah saahib e israar kare

Hai wohi tere zamane ka imam e barhaq
Jo tujhe haazir o maujood se baizaar kare

In the first shair Iqbal says that you asked me the reality of guidance (Imam means the one who guides so imamat means guidance)
May Allah make you like myself who knows the hidden secrets
That man is the true guide
who tell you to stop loving the dunya and put deen islam in your heart.

aboosait
23-11-10, 01:20 PM
... I will explain .......

.......May Allah make you like myself who knows the hidden secrets........

That seems to be a misinterpretation.

As far as I know Iqbal was a True Muslim. He would never claim himself to be "aalimul gaib"/one who knows the hidden secrets.

. Please ask someone who knows Urdu and get it translated.

imran1976
23-11-10, 02:49 PM
That seems to be a misinterpretation.

As far as I know Iqbal was a True Muslim. He would never claim himself to be "aalimul gaib"/one who knows the hidden secrets.

. Please ask someone who knows Urdu and get it translated.

insight would be a better word but even if it's hidden secrets, still it doesn't claim ilm'e Gaib.

as a Momin can see through the noor of Allah swt'

Be conscious of the sight of a Momin (Practical Believer), as he sees through the Noor of Allah.

aboosait
23-11-10, 03:15 PM
insight would be a better word but even if it's hidden secrets, still it doesn't claim ilm'e Gaib.

as a Momin can see through the noor of Allah swt'

Be conscious of the sight of a Momin (Practical Believer), as he sees through the Noor of Allah.

Kindly provide proof from Qur'an/Sunnah if you are truthful in your claim.

Kas1m
23-11-10, 04:22 PM
That seems to be a misinterpretation.

As far as I know Iqbal was a True Muslim. He would never claim himself to be "aalimul gaib"/one who knows the hidden secrets.

. Please ask someone who knows Urdu and get it translated.

Knowing hidden secrets does not make one Aalim e Ghaib

But I'n confused myself because how can one claim to know 'Sahib e Israar'? I don't understand that.

imran1976
24-11-10, 10:22 AM
Kindly provide proof from Qur'an/Sunnah if you are truthful in your claim.

the Mojizaats of Anbiyas, the Karamaats of Awliyas, aren't these proofs?


Allah Most High says: "He who is hostile to a friend of Mine I declare war against. My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory upon him, and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks. If he asks me, I will surely give to him, and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him"

aboosait
24-11-10, 12:21 PM
Allah Most High says: "He who is hostile to a friend of Mine I declare war against. My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory upon him, and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks. If he asks me, I will surely give to him, and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him"

:smack: Imran, there is nothing in this hadeeth-qudsi to indicate that Allaah is “incarnated” in His creation or that He becomes one with any of them.

And please do not draw conclusions from reading random portions of the Hadith. Read the whole Hadith. In the words at the end of the hadeeth, Allaah :Swt: says:
“Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.”

According to some reports, He also said,
“So by My help he hears and by My help he sees…” This explains what is meant at the beginning of the hadeeth, and it clearly demonstrates that there is one who asks and One Who is asked, one who seeks refuge and One Who grants refuge [i.e., two separate entities]. This hadeeth is similar to another hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah says: ‘O My slave, I fell sick and you did not visit Me…’” In both cases, the latter part of the hadeeth explains the first part, but those who are led by their whims and desires follow the ambiguous texts and ignore the clear and unambiguous texts, and so they go astray.

For more details, please Click:

HERE (http://www.islamqa.com/en/pda/ref/islamqa/14397)

and

HERE (http://www.islamqa.com/en/pda/ref/islamqa/21371)

imran1976
24-11-10, 02:26 PM
:smack: Imran, there is nothing in this hadeeth-qudsi to indicate that Allaah is “incarnated” in His creation or that He becomes one with any of them.

And please do not draw conclusions from reading random portions of the Hadith. Read the whole Hadith. In the words at the end of the hadeeth, Allaah :Swt: says:
“Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.” According to some reports, He also said,
“So by My help he hears and by My help he sees…”This explains what is meant at the beginning of the hadeeth, and it clearly demonstrates that there is one who asks and One Who is asked, one who seeks refuge and One Who grants refuge [i.e., two separate entities]. This hadeeth is similar to another hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah says: ‘O My slave, I fell sick and you did not visit Me…’” In both cases, the latter part of the hadeeth explains the first part, but those who are led by their whims and desires follow the ambiguous texts and ignore the clear and unambiguous texts, and so they go astray.

For more details, please Click:

HERE (http://www.islamqa.com/en/pda/ref/islamqa/14397)

and

HERE (http://www.islamqa.com/en/pda/ref/islamqa/21371)

respected brother,
i will avoid going into any argument, i don't take things from islamqa so, i don't accept their explanation of this Hadith. Nobody here is claiming that anyone other than Allah swt' has the knowledge of ghaib not even the Prophets but Allah swt' can make things happen even the knowledge of unseen, it's all from Allah swt'.

aboosait
24-11-10, 05:28 PM
......i don't take things from islamqa .......

Do you read Fath-al-bari?

Al-Khattaabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:What is meant is that Allaah helps and guides His slave in the actions that these faculties do… He guides his physical faculties and protects him against falling into that which Allaah dislikes, such as listening to idle talk that he may hear, or looking at that which Allaah has forbidden, or striking that which it is not permissible for his hand to strike, or walking towards falsehood with his feet.

Someone else said: His limbs do not move except with the help of Allaah and for the sake of Allaah, and they all strive for the sake of the truth.

Fath al-Baari, 11/352.

Kas1m
24-11-10, 05:50 PM
Please stay on topic Kindly

This is one of my fav shairs of Iqbal


Zamastani hawa mein garche thi shamsheer ki tezi
Na choote mujh se London mein bhi Adaab e Sehr Khezi

ahmed_abdullah
24-11-10, 05:51 PM
respected brother,
i will avoid going into any argument, i don't take things from islamqa so, i don't accept their explanation of this Hadith. Nobody here is claiming that anyone other than Allah swt' has the knowledge of ghaib not even the Prophets but Allah swt' can make things happen even the knowledge of unseen, it's all from Allah swt'.

Aboosait follows different meaning to ilm of ghaib, and you are saying mean different about ilm of ghaib.

What he means from ilm of ghaib is totally different.He has different meaning to it and you follow different meaning to it.

So i shall say your meaning is ilm of ghaib 1 and his ilm of ghaib 2.Each different from one another.

ahmed_abdullah
24-11-10, 05:52 PM
Please stay on topic Kindly

This is one of my fav shairs of Iqbal


Zamastani hawa mein garche thi shamsheer ki tezi
Na choote mujh se London mein bhi Adaab e Sehr Khezi

Translate it in english please?

That is really tought to understand.

Kas1m
24-11-10, 05:55 PM
Translate it in english please?

That is really tought to understand.

I'll explain it InshAllah. Iqbal wrote this in his days in London in winter times saying that London's winter is as sharp as a sword. But still I didn't care about it and did my normal early morning things like Qiyam ul Lail, morning walk, Fajr etc

aboosait
25-11-10, 12:09 PM
I'll explain it InshAllah. Iqbal wrote this in his days in London in winter times saying that London's winter is as sharp as a sword. But still I didn't care about it and did my normal early morning things like Qiyam ul Lail, morning walk, Fajr etc

So? Whats so special about that poem?

Kas1m
25-11-10, 01:26 PM
So? Whats so special about that poem?

At that time in 1930s there was hardly a Masjid anywhere in London and no much muslims. Even then Iqbal shows that he wakes up in the morning and reads Tahajjud. MashAllah.

aboosait
25-11-10, 02:55 PM
At that time in 1930s there was hardly a Masjid anywhere in London and no much muslims. Even then Iqbal shows that he wakes up in the morning and reads Tahajjud. MashAllah.

There were Muslims and Masjids in London at that time. The world famous Woking Mosque (also known as Shah Jehan Mosque is also in London. Please click to some old Photographs from the work of the Woking Muslim Mission and Mosque (http://www.wokingmuslim.org/photos/)

Kas1m
25-11-10, 03:19 PM
Yes a few...and Islam was not all in there because people would come for a degree and that is it. I think the shair fits the description.

aboosait
25-11-10, 03:24 PM
Yes a few...and Islam was not all in there because people would come for a degree and that is it. I think the shair fits the description.

Yes. Please note the qadiyani influence in those photographs. Perhaps this is what the shaair lament about in his poems during his stay in London.

Kas1m
25-11-10, 03:38 PM
Yes. Please note the qadiyani influence in those photographs. Perhaps this is what the shaair lament about in his poems during his stay in London.

Plus also there was politics all around at that time. Yes I forgot about the Qadiani fitna too. Thanks.

imran1976
26-11-10, 01:35 PM
Mujhey Tehzeeb-e-Hazir nay ata ki hai wo azadi
Kay zaahir main tou azaadi hai, baatin main giraftari

Tu, aey Maula-e-Yasrab! aap meri chara sazi ker
Meri Daanish hai afrangi, mera Imaan hai zannari
.......................................





for brother aboosait:


"The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, by the acceptance of all Muslim scholars. And the Qur'an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) has mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are only people who are innovators and their followers." [al-Mukhtasar al-Fatawa, page 603]. Ibn Taymiyya says, "what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration."
[Majmu'a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya, Vol. 11, p. 314].

aboosait
26-11-10, 03:06 PM
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for brother aboosait:


"The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, .........

And brother Imran, kindly provide reference as to where on earth aboosait commented on miracles of saints?

imran1976
27-11-10, 11:46 AM
And brother Imran, kindly provide reference as to where on earth aboosait commented on miracles of saints?

respected brother!
only the underlined part was meant to be read.

~TwinklingStar~
27-11-10, 03:22 PM
I think this is written by Allama Iqbal :

Abhi bhi waqt hai
Na sambhloge to mit jaaoge
ek din Aye Musalmano
Daastan tak na rahegi
Daasta tumhari daastaano main

aboosait
01-12-10, 03:47 PM
respected brother!
only the underlined part was meant to be read.

And the non-underlined part ?

I still dont understand what relevance this has in this thread. If you want to discuss saints and miracles, please start a new thread.

aboosait
01-12-10, 03:59 PM
I think this is written by Allama Iqbal :

Abhi bhi waqt hai
Na sambhloge to mit jaaoge
ek din Aye Musalmano
Daastan tak na rahegi
Daasta tumhari daastaano main

The couplet by Allama Iqbal you are referring to is,


Na samjhoge toh mitt jaaoge ae hindustaan waalo
Tumhari daastaan tak na hogi daastaanon mein

imran1976
08-12-10, 07:19 AM
And the non-underlined part ?

I still dont understand what relevance this has in this thread. If you want to discuss saints and miracles, please start a new thread.

you raised the issue of hidden secretes and asked for references:
. Ibn Taymiyya says, "what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that
others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration."

Kas1m
08-12-10, 07:28 AM
But is it right to say about yourself that I know the hidden secrets which you don't know?

ahmed_abdullah
08-12-10, 07:40 AM
^^ It is a poem, just the way of speech nothing more.

Kas1m
08-12-10, 07:49 AM
^^ It is a poem, just the way of speech nothing more.

lol at nothing more...Nah..I'm sure there is a meaning to it

imran1976
08-12-10, 09:21 AM
But is it right to say about yourself that I know the hidden secrets which you don't know?

if you are refering to Iqbal, we don't know exactly what he meant, any person specialized in Iqbaliat can shed some light on this.

imran1976
08-12-10, 09:22 AM
But is it right to say about yourself that I know the hidden secrets which you don't know?

have you read his Shikwah, Jawab'e Shikwah???
one can also say that it's wrong to give jawab on Allah's behalf.

ahmed_abdullah
08-12-10, 10:50 AM
lol at nothing more...Nah..I'm sure there is a meaning to it

I wouldn't go so deep into anyone's poetry.Usually poems are those lines which half of it the poet eats and the rest he speaks.So if one needs to understand the full poem, he needs to take out what he has eaten from his stomach.Usually requires a hint from language,from his birth place,from his shaykh and from his beleifs.That will help you understand it.Else it would be just to waste time.

But in the end your wish :)

Kas1m
09-12-10, 08:35 AM
Yes you are right...thinking deep into someones writing usually gives you a headache

imran1976
15-12-10, 04:40 AM
Meyn janta hun anjaam is ka
Jis mar'kay meyn hoan Mullah Ghazi............

muslimabc
19-12-11, 12:42 AM
read it again and again u will get the point

i like the first verse

teray ishq ki intiha chahta
meri saadgi daikh kya chahta hon

and the other one
ye janat mubarak rahay zahido ko
k may aap ka samna chahta hon



salam brother there is a request can u plz translate this sher of Allama Iqbal ??
Na woh ishq mein rahi garmian !! na woh husn mein rahi shookhian ... Na woh ghaznavi mein tarap rahi! na woh khum hai zulf e ayyaz mein!


i'll be really thankful if u reply me asap !!

imran1976
19-12-11, 07:25 AM
salam brother there is a request can u plz translate this sher of Allama Iqbal ??
Na woh ishq mein rahi garmian !! na woh husn mein rahi shookhian ... Na woh ghaznavi mein tarap rahi! na woh khum hai zulf e ayyaz mein!


i'll be really thankful if u reply me asap !!

O THE MUCH SOUGHT AFTER REALITY! SOME TIME APPEAR IN MATERIAL FORM

Introduction
Though this ghazal is very popular it is full of mysticism. Each verse has a different theme. The ghazal as a whole defines the relationship between God and Man.

Translation

O the much sought after Reality! Some time appear in material form
As innumerable prostrations restless in my humble forehead are

Join the assembly�s celebrations, You are a song, be heard
What good are melodies which veiled in guitar�s frets are

Do not jealously protect them , your mirrors are the mirrors
Which would be dearer in the Maker�s eye if they broken are

During circumambulation the moth exclaimed, �Those past effects
Neither in your story of pathos, nor in my tale of love are�

My wretched sins could not get shelter anywhere except
When they in the shade of Thy Gracious Forgiveness were1 (http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/bang/translation/part07/ghazals/06.htm#1)

Neither Love has that warmth nor Beauty has that humor
Neither that restlessness in Ghaznavi2 nor those curls in the hair locks of Ay�z 2 (http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/urdu/bang/translation/part07/ghazals/06.htm#2) are

Whenever I went into prostration a voice came from the earth
Your heart is in materialism no rewards for your prayers are

Brother Hassan
19-12-11, 12:11 PM
Iqbal was simply put, a genius ...

imran1976
03-01-12, 11:28 AM
Be conscious of the sight of a Momin (Practical Believer), as he sees through the Noor of Allah.



Kindly provide proof from Qur'an/Sunnah if you are truthful in your claim.

Riwayat Abu Said; Jamiah Tirmidhi